Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
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Oct 4, 2024 8:58 AM
#1
I'm not tryna hate on the show or anything, I remember liking the first two seasons when they came out, but I started watching the first episode of the third season and it was kinda cringe. I'll continue watching the show I guess but idk. |
Oct 4, 2024 9:09 AM
#2
Re Zero's first episode before starting of new arc is always either cringe or boring. Things gets intresting onces Subaru starts dying. I like Re Zero's psychological and drama aspect more. |
Oct 4, 2024 9:10 AM
#3
No way someone with Haikyuu, Toaru and fck Angels of death in their favourites finds Re:Zero cringe 💀 |
Oct 4, 2024 9:11 AM
#4
AshTheChamp said: No way someone with Haikyuu, Toaru and fck Angels of death in their favourites finds Re:Zero cringe 💀 I don't see anything wrong with Toaru. |
Oct 4, 2024 9:11 AM
#5
I will say without episode 1 and the importance of character dynamics the rest becomes less investing. Because something like the first episode it sets precedents for when the psychological warfares and action between characters actually go down. Thats why people actually praise it so highly…cause how well written it actually is |
Oct 4, 2024 9:17 AM
#6
Getting more invested into these characters by giving them more depth and characterization makes the psychological and mysterious aspect of the story and the cast overall much more interesting and intriguing. Re:Zero needs these slower paced sections to experience these characters from a different perspective. To make them feel like actual persons living in that world. Each of them with their own goals, motivations, insecurities, way of speaking/thinking and their interactions/relationships with one another. That makes the emotional rollercoasters we will get the entire season even more devastating and they hit way harder |
AshTheChampOct 4, 2024 9:27 AM
Oct 4, 2024 9:21 AM
#7
Oct 4, 2024 9:22 AM
#8
AnaakJahad said: I'm not tryna hate on the show or anything, I remember liking the first two seasons when they came out, but I started watching the first episode of the third season and it was kinda cringe. I'll continue watching the show I guess but idk. Hard to comment much on this, as I don’t know the reason you didn’t really like this seasons first episode. With that being said, if it has to with cringe, I would say that this is pretty standard for Re-Zero towards the start. For me, I didn’t really like Subaru too much until the episode “From Zero” in Season 1. He is still cringe, and probably always will be, but it’s the emotional journey with him that makes the story so compelling. |
Oct 4, 2024 9:35 AM
#9
AshTheChamp said: No way someone with Haikyuu, Toaru and fck Angels of death in their favourites finds Re:Zero cringe 💀 dawg you got haikyuu in your favorites too lmfao |
Oct 4, 2024 9:37 AM
#10
Kaze1214 said: AnaakJahad said: I'm not tryna hate on the show or anything, I remember liking the first two seasons when they came out, but I started watching the first episode of the third season and it was kinda cringe. I'll continue watching the show I guess but idk. Hard to comment much on this, as I don’t know the reason you didn’t really like this seasons first episode. With that being said, if it has to with cringe, I would say that this is pretty standard for Re-Zero towards the start. For me, I didn’t really like Subaru too much until the episode “From Zero” in Season 1. He is still cringe, and probably always will be, but it’s the emotional journey with him that makes the story so compelling. yeah Subarus hard to watch sometimes, especially him interrupting the court room in that one episode. I'll give this season a few episodes though |
Oct 4, 2024 10:19 AM
#11
It’s just setting the stage |
Oct 4, 2024 10:30 AM
#12
I'm high key getting more invested with Re:Zero as I see more content. I was someone who has ignored it from my first impression of being a generic tragedy anime to going back to it years later thinking it's one of the greatest time travel story, Steins Gate still being the best, Summer Time Rendering being close second. So probably this is the third on my list right now. |
Oct 4, 2024 10:38 AM
#13
ZXEAN said: Re Zero's first episode before starting of new arc is always either cringe or boring. Things gets intresting onces Subaru starts dying. I like Re Zero's psychological and drama aspect more. 100% Thats the best and unique Part of the Show |
Oct 4, 2024 10:51 AM
#14
Reply to saikyozero
I'm high key getting more invested with Re:Zero as I see more content. I was someone who has ignored it from my first impression of being a generic tragedy anime to going back to it years later thinking it's one of the greatest time travel story, Steins Gate still being the best, Summer Time Rendering being close second. So probably this is the third on my list right now.
@saikyozero Re:Zero is not really "time travel story". Return by Death is nothing more than a storytelling device, as there are long runs without it being used, yet the story remains just as good, if not better, in those instances. This season is a good example (not first ep though), as was the previous Season 2 Part 2. It's dark fantasy with multiple genres on it. Any show that isn't fantasy setting is not comparable to Re:Zero. |
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Oct 4, 2024 11:07 AM
#15
Not the kid complaining that he's too old for Re: Zero 🤣🤣🤣 |
Oct 4, 2024 11:23 AM
#16
Reply to Lowlygojo
I will say without episode 1 and the importance of character dynamics the rest becomes less investing. Because something like the first episode it sets precedents for when the psychological warfares and action between characters actually go down. Thats why people actually praise it so highly…cause how well written it actually is
@Lowlygojo We all understand that but the first episode didn't do really well presenting characters you should care about later on. It was more or less just parade of all known characters and those newly introduced ones weren't very interesting (in case of Liliana or Chin, even annoying). Sirius pales in comparison with Petegeuse, her act really felt forced and that child she threw down the tower only felt as plot device to give viewers reason to hate her. Also, for length of feature movie, very little actually happened outside of (re)introduction. Experienced directors can tell full story in that time, with beginning, middle and the end and this had neither - it was just three normal anime episodes glued together. People mentioning Oshi no Ko first episode have the point as it really managed to be self contained. Out of my head, I can think of UBW series which also did 50 minute prologue well. But unlike these examples, here it felt like a drag half-way through already as whole piece certainly wasn't designed to be watched in one piece. I understand why they aired it together (to prevent people being annoyed by the lack of developement for one month) but that still doesn't change the fact whole infodump could have been done a lot better - ie. they could start in media res with last scene with some inner monologue and only show relevant parts later on when needed (this would also prevent the feel of Endless Eight we are going to experience within the next months as every episode would bring new informations in form of bite-size flashbacks. For direct comparison, even fitting since it's the same studio, people also complained about slow start when Steins;Gate originally aired. But on closer look, there is a big difference - as every scene in S;G was actually important part of the puzzle. And it had better exposition from the start. They are trying to achieve the same here (actually in all this series) but in comparison 3rd season of Re:Zero feels like random set of scenes that will only make some sense later on. Actually, just comparing first three episode, I would say both S1 and S2 actually had a lot better better starts (saying that, first two (=three) of Re: Zero S1 were also bad IIRC so they are guilty of the same here but somehow it feels even worse). S2 on the other hand had strong start since the beginning so I hoped they learnt their lesson. Apparently not. Or maybe the royal selection plot is actually the least interesting part of this series. |
Mich666Oct 4, 2024 11:27 AM
Oct 4, 2024 12:44 PM
#17
Reply to Kaze1214
AnaakJahad said:
I'm not tryna hate on the show or anything, I remember liking the first two seasons when they came out, but I started watching the first episode of the third season and it was kinda cringe. I'll continue watching the show I guess but idk.
I'm not tryna hate on the show or anything, I remember liking the first two seasons when they came out, but I started watching the first episode of the third season and it was kinda cringe. I'll continue watching the show I guess but idk.
Hard to comment much on this, as I don’t know the reason you didn’t really like this seasons first episode. With that being said, if it has to with cringe, I would say that this is pretty standard for Re-Zero towards the start.
For me, I didn’t really like Subaru too much until the episode “From Zero” in Season 1. He is still cringe, and probably always will be, but it’s the emotional journey with him that makes the story so compelling.
@Kaze1214 I have found him considerably improved over Season 1. Season 2 REALLY put him through it. He grew a lot, but he won't ever be perfect & we shouldn't expect him to be. |
Oct 4, 2024 1:06 PM
#18
mb for not being into anime girl tropes. like whatchu want me to say? |
Oct 4, 2024 1:45 PM
#19
AnaakJahad said: I'm not tryna hate on the show or anything, I remember liking the first two seasons when they came out, but I started watching the first episode of the third season and it was kinda cringe. I'll continue watching the show I guess but idk. Thanks, i'm not the only one. But then try to watch the 1st season again. Subaru is insufferable. And the characters around doesn't help. I question myself "WHY do i love Re:Zero?" And then i remember: For the suffering of this damn Subaru. His agony is what makes him likeable, and so his recovery happens to be satisfying. |
Oct 4, 2024 2:10 PM
#20
Mich666 said: @Lowlygojo We all understand that but the first episode didn't do really well presenting characters you should care about later on. It was more or less just parade of all known characters and those newly introduced ones weren't very interesting (in case of Liliana or Chin, even annoying). Sirius pales in comparison with Petegeuse, her act really felt forced and that child she threw down the tower only felt as plot device to give viewers reason to hate her. Also, for length of feature movie, very little actually happened outside of (re)introduction. Experienced directors can tell full story in that time, with beginning, middle and the end and this had neither - it was just three normal anime episodes glued together. People mentioning Oshi no Ko first episode have the point as it really managed to be self contained. Out of my head, I can think of UBW series which also did 50 minute prologue well. But unlike these examples, here it felt like a drag half-way through already as whole piece certainly wasn't designed to be watched in one piece. I understand why they aired it together (to prevent people being annoyed by the lack of developement for one month) but that still doesn't change the fact whole infodump could have been done a lot better - ie. they could start in media res with last scene with some inner monologue and only show relevant parts later on when needed (this would also prevent the feel of Endless Eight we are going to experience within the next months as every episode would bring new informations in form of bite-size flashbacks. For direct comparison, even fitting since it's the same studio, people also complained about slow start when Steins;Gate originally aired. But on closer look, there is a big difference - as every scene in S;G was actually important part of the puzzle. And it had better exposition from the start. They are trying to achieve the same here (actually in all this series) but in comparison 3rd season of Re:Zero feels like random set of scenes that will only make some sense later on. Actually, just comparing first three episode, I would say both S1 and S2 actually had a lot better better starts (saying that, first two (=three) of Re: Zero S1 were also bad IIRC so they are guilty of the same here but somehow it feels even worse). S2 on the other hand had strong start since the beginning so I hoped they learnt their lesson. Apparently not. Or maybe the royal selection plot is actually the least interesting part of this series. I think because you think things arent important or it doesnt do anything for you makes it not important to what happens later on…which are two different things. A lot happens in this episode, from the character dynamics being well developed from the year time skip or characters in general just being different in a good way. You have new introductions in the lore of the world, old things brought up that the world now knows and respects…you get a lot of exposition on where they are at and why they are there. Also introductions of new characters that play prominent roles later on or very soon. Reintroducing characters that play a huge role in these episodes to come. It does a great pacing all of these things while building upon the world, showing how characters have changed/character dynamics have grown on top of giving a false security that things are going good with the moment sirius gets put into the picture and highlighting that they arent. Which that sirius moment doesnt feel forced at all, it blends with the texture of how the episode was going and really turns dark even though we as a viewer already probably knew something bad was gonna happen. So although i dont agree, i respect you have issues but i also dont think you will understand how important the setting up of this episode was until later on which is usually why episodes like this are great. |
Oct 4, 2024 2:17 PM
#21
Rezero has a lot of deeper and mature themes. I think thats what he meant when you said that. He didnt come off proper though. I will say if you dont like Rezero thats fair but it is definitely a lot deeper than just having Anime Girl Tropes |
Oct 4, 2024 2:45 PM
#22
Reply to Okeanix
@saikyozero Re:Zero is not really "time travel story". Return by Death is nothing more than a storytelling device, as there are long runs without it being used, yet the story remains just as good, if not better, in those instances. This season is a good example (not first ep though), as was the previous Season 2 Part 2.
It's dark fantasy with multiple genres on it. Any show that isn't fantasy setting is not comparable to Re:Zero.
It's dark fantasy with multiple genres on it. Any show that isn't fantasy setting is not comparable to Re:Zero.
@Okeanix but it is a time travel story |
Oct 4, 2024 2:46 PM
#23
Reply to Okeanix
@saikyozero Re:Zero is not really "time travel story". Return by Death is nothing more than a storytelling device, as there are long runs without it being used, yet the story remains just as good, if not better, in those instances. This season is a good example (not first ep though), as was the previous Season 2 Part 2.
It's dark fantasy with multiple genres on it. Any show that isn't fantasy setting is not comparable to Re:Zero.
It's dark fantasy with multiple genres on it. Any show that isn't fantasy setting is not comparable to Re:Zero.
@Okeanix any story, even a romcom can be compared to re:zero, stop being such a fanboy |
Oct 4, 2024 2:47 PM
#24
Reply to Mich666
@Lowlygojo We all understand that but the first episode didn't do really well presenting characters you should care about later on.
It was more or less just parade of all known characters and those newly introduced ones weren't very interesting (in case of Liliana or Chin, even annoying).
Sirius pales in comparison with Petegeuse, her act really felt forced and that child she threw down the tower only felt as plot device to give viewers reason to hate her.
Also, for length of feature movie, very little actually happened outside of (re)introduction. Experienced directors can tell full story in that time, with beginning, middle and the end and this had neither - it was just three normal anime episodes glued together.
People mentioning Oshi no Ko first episode have the point as it really managed to be self contained. Out of my head, I can think of UBW series which also did 50 minute prologue well. But unlike these examples, here it felt like a drag half-way through already as whole piece certainly wasn't designed to be watched in one piece.
I understand why they aired it together (to prevent people being annoyed by the lack of developement for one month) but that still doesn't change the fact whole infodump could have been done a lot better - ie. they could start in media res with last scene with some inner monologue and only show relevant parts later on when needed (this would also prevent the feel of Endless Eight we are going to experience within the next months as every episode would bring new informations in form of bite-size flashbacks.
For direct comparison, even fitting since it's the same studio, people also complained about slow start when Steins;Gate originally aired. But on closer look, there is a big difference - as every scene in S;G was actually important part of the puzzle. And it had better exposition from the start. They are trying to achieve the same here (actually in all this series) but in comparison 3rd season of Re:Zero feels like random set of scenes that will only make some sense later on.
Actually, just comparing first three episode, I would say both S1 and S2 actually had a lot better better starts (saying that, first two (=three) of Re: Zero S1 were also bad IIRC so they are guilty of the same here but somehow it feels even worse). S2 on the other hand had strong start since the beginning so I hoped they learnt their lesson. Apparently not. Or maybe the royal selection plot is actually the least interesting part of this series.
It was more or less just parade of all known characters and those newly introduced ones weren't very interesting (in case of Liliana or Chin, even annoying).
Sirius pales in comparison with Petegeuse, her act really felt forced and that child she threw down the tower only felt as plot device to give viewers reason to hate her.
Also, for length of feature movie, very little actually happened outside of (re)introduction. Experienced directors can tell full story in that time, with beginning, middle and the end and this had neither - it was just three normal anime episodes glued together.
People mentioning Oshi no Ko first episode have the point as it really managed to be self contained. Out of my head, I can think of UBW series which also did 50 minute prologue well. But unlike these examples, here it felt like a drag half-way through already as whole piece certainly wasn't designed to be watched in one piece.
I understand why they aired it together (to prevent people being annoyed by the lack of developement for one month) but that still doesn't change the fact whole infodump could have been done a lot better - ie. they could start in media res with last scene with some inner monologue and only show relevant parts later on when needed (this would also prevent the feel of Endless Eight we are going to experience within the next months as every episode would bring new informations in form of bite-size flashbacks.
For direct comparison, even fitting since it's the same studio, people also complained about slow start when Steins;Gate originally aired. But on closer look, there is a big difference - as every scene in S;G was actually important part of the puzzle. And it had better exposition from the start. They are trying to achieve the same here (actually in all this series) but in comparison 3rd season of Re:Zero feels like random set of scenes that will only make some sense later on.
Actually, just comparing first three episode, I would say both S1 and S2 actually had a lot better better starts (saying that, first two (=three) of Re: Zero S1 were also bad IIRC so they are guilty of the same here but somehow it feels even worse). S2 on the other hand had strong start since the beginning so I hoped they learnt their lesson. Apparently not. Or maybe the royal selection plot is actually the least interesting part of this series.
@Mich666 What an awful take from someone who didn't understand a thing. Let's break all of this down 1. Chin isn't new, all of these characters and the interactions are vital for later. How did it not do a good job? It introduced all the dynamics again and it'll build on that 2. What? All the archbishops are unhinged. She pales in comparison how? She's just as crazy as the rest of them and has a new unique ability that goes along with her crazy personality. A plot device? She's AN ARCHBISHOP. She kills people because that's what they all do. It's not to shock anyone, it's to show how her powers work and showcase her wrath position 3. SG was just messing around until the author decided to make that exposition relevant later on. Guess what? RZ will make everything relevant as the season goes too. SG fans acting high and mighty as if they aren't in the same position is hilarious 4. This is the slowest start to an arc but it speeds up immensely now. This was needed and it was good setup |
Oct 4, 2024 2:52 PM
#25
MajoTenshi said: @Mich666 What an awful take from someone who didn't understand a thing. Let's break all of this down 1. Chin isn't new, all of these characters and the interactions are vital for later. How did it not do a good job? It introduced all the dynamics again and it'll build on that 2. What? All the archbishops are unhinged. She pales in comparison how? She's just as crazy as the rest of them and has a new unique ability that goes along with her crazy personality. A plot device? She's AN ARCHBISHOP. She kills people because that's what they all do. It's not to shock anyone, it's to show how her powers work and showcase her wrath position 3. SG was just messing around until the author decided to make that exposition relevant later on. Guess what? RZ will make everything relevant as the season goes too. SG fans acting high and mighty as if they aren't in the same position is hilarious 4. This is the slowest start to an arc but it speeds up immensely now. This was needed and it was good setup Thank you for posting this because im also a huge SG fan but i didnt want to take an account of minimizing a great show for another great show because i actually think Re:zero does everything better but SG is also not nearly as long so its kind of an injustice to it. There is definitely more than what you just said too but i agree with everything you stated |
Oct 4, 2024 3:35 PM
#26
Lowlygojo said: Rezero has a lot of deeper and mature themes. I think thats what he meant when you said that. He didnt come off proper though. I will say if you dont like Rezero thats fair but it is definitely a lot deeper than just having Anime Girl Tropes yeah I get that, that's why I stuck through with it til the 3rd season. just wish people would let me have an opinion 😭🙏 |
Oct 4, 2024 3:40 PM
#27
AnaakJahad said: Lowlygojo said: Rezero has a lot of deeper and mature themes. I think thats what he meant when you said that. He didnt come off proper though. I will say if you dont like Rezero thats fair but it is definitely a lot deeper than just having Anime Girl Tropes yeah I get that, that's why I stuck through with it til the 3rd season. just wish people would let me have an opinion 😭🙏 No you definitely can🙏🏻😭 i think it may be the way you said it if anything. I try to at least hear people out |
Oct 4, 2024 3:41 PM
#28
Reply to Mich666
@Lowlygojo We all understand that but the first episode didn't do really well presenting characters you should care about later on.
It was more or less just parade of all known characters and those newly introduced ones weren't very interesting (in case of Liliana or Chin, even annoying).
Sirius pales in comparison with Petegeuse, her act really felt forced and that child she threw down the tower only felt as plot device to give viewers reason to hate her.
Also, for length of feature movie, very little actually happened outside of (re)introduction. Experienced directors can tell full story in that time, with beginning, middle and the end and this had neither - it was just three normal anime episodes glued together.
People mentioning Oshi no Ko first episode have the point as it really managed to be self contained. Out of my head, I can think of UBW series which also did 50 minute prologue well. But unlike these examples, here it felt like a drag half-way through already as whole piece certainly wasn't designed to be watched in one piece.
I understand why they aired it together (to prevent people being annoyed by the lack of developement for one month) but that still doesn't change the fact whole infodump could have been done a lot better - ie. they could start in media res with last scene with some inner monologue and only show relevant parts later on when needed (this would also prevent the feel of Endless Eight we are going to experience within the next months as every episode would bring new informations in form of bite-size flashbacks.
For direct comparison, even fitting since it's the same studio, people also complained about slow start when Steins;Gate originally aired. But on closer look, there is a big difference - as every scene in S;G was actually important part of the puzzle. And it had better exposition from the start. They are trying to achieve the same here (actually in all this series) but in comparison 3rd season of Re:Zero feels like random set of scenes that will only make some sense later on.
Actually, just comparing first three episode, I would say both S1 and S2 actually had a lot better better starts (saying that, first two (=three) of Re: Zero S1 were also bad IIRC so they are guilty of the same here but somehow it feels even worse). S2 on the other hand had strong start since the beginning so I hoped they learnt their lesson. Apparently not. Or maybe the royal selection plot is actually the least interesting part of this series.
It was more or less just parade of all known characters and those newly introduced ones weren't very interesting (in case of Liliana or Chin, even annoying).
Sirius pales in comparison with Petegeuse, her act really felt forced and that child she threw down the tower only felt as plot device to give viewers reason to hate her.
Also, for length of feature movie, very little actually happened outside of (re)introduction. Experienced directors can tell full story in that time, with beginning, middle and the end and this had neither - it was just three normal anime episodes glued together.
People mentioning Oshi no Ko first episode have the point as it really managed to be self contained. Out of my head, I can think of UBW series which also did 50 minute prologue well. But unlike these examples, here it felt like a drag half-way through already as whole piece certainly wasn't designed to be watched in one piece.
I understand why they aired it together (to prevent people being annoyed by the lack of developement for one month) but that still doesn't change the fact whole infodump could have been done a lot better - ie. they could start in media res with last scene with some inner monologue and only show relevant parts later on when needed (this would also prevent the feel of Endless Eight we are going to experience within the next months as every episode would bring new informations in form of bite-size flashbacks.
For direct comparison, even fitting since it's the same studio, people also complained about slow start when Steins;Gate originally aired. But on closer look, there is a big difference - as every scene in S;G was actually important part of the puzzle. And it had better exposition from the start. They are trying to achieve the same here (actually in all this series) but in comparison 3rd season of Re:Zero feels like random set of scenes that will only make some sense later on.
Actually, just comparing first three episode, I would say both S1 and S2 actually had a lot better better starts (saying that, first two (=three) of Re: Zero S1 were also bad IIRC so they are guilty of the same here but somehow it feels even worse). S2 on the other hand had strong start since the beginning so I hoped they learnt their lesson. Apparently not. Or maybe the royal selection plot is actually the least interesting part of this series.
@Mich666 The characters were already well established in s1, Lilliana is literally the only new one. This just builds off their interactions. "A parade" I mean duh it's bringing them all together. Please google what a plot device is. I think anime fans learned this word and use it wrong but this isn't a plot device. "Her act felt forced" and you're telling me the extremely over the top nature of Betelgeuse didn't? She was hate able from the start, by your logic Betelgeuse twisting Rem's limbs around was a plot device to make people hate him. And you've seen one episode of her. Guess what, Betelgeuse wasn't amazing when he was first introduced or anything either. Sirius on a whole different level, Betelgeuse is laughable compared to her And I agree with others, the Steins;Gate comparison is funny. You're here hating on one slow episode when SG had like 11 of them and are saying "oh but every detail mattered" and it will for Re:Zero too. The irony is palpable. Every single interaction in this episode was important and will pay off later |
Oct 4, 2024 4:10 PM
#29
The second season already went full cringe, or, rather, the original creaator did. Everything non Re:Zero he'd written since was also cringy garbage. |
Oct 4, 2024 7:43 PM
#30
Have patience bruh.. judging the whole season3 only because you watched "one" light hearted wholesome first intro episode? That's kinda dumb. |
Oct 4, 2024 8:48 PM
#31
AshTheChamp said: No way someone with Haikyuu, Toaru and fck Angels of death in their favourites finds Re:Zero cringe 💀 if you are gonna defend or argu do it about re zero, criticizing other anime's or his tast proves nothing. and he wasn't wrong either, re zero is not a hard hitter out of the bag, it is cringe in the beginning and be till the end, but shit starts to get interesting and intense after we get through half of the season. if you're are a re zero fan and you haven't made pice with re zero being cringe, either you never thought about it or just delusional. don't go hating other if they have a opinion and don't critise and insult other anime or other taste. |
Oct 4, 2024 10:20 PM
#32
I agree, all of the characters feel a little weird except my beautiful beako and... Only beako |
Life is short. Smoke a blunt and relax. |
Oct 5, 2024 12:05 AM
#33
if you won't see it, it's one less rem trooper. if you watch it, thanks for supporting emilia. on topic it's a good psychological anime, they don't make this often. |
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Oct 5, 2024 12:31 AM
#34
Reply to Mich666
@Lowlygojo We all understand that but the first episode didn't do really well presenting characters you should care about later on.
It was more or less just parade of all known characters and those newly introduced ones weren't very interesting (in case of Liliana or Chin, even annoying).
Sirius pales in comparison with Petegeuse, her act really felt forced and that child she threw down the tower only felt as plot device to give viewers reason to hate her.
Also, for length of feature movie, very little actually happened outside of (re)introduction. Experienced directors can tell full story in that time, with beginning, middle and the end and this had neither - it was just three normal anime episodes glued together.
People mentioning Oshi no Ko first episode have the point as it really managed to be self contained. Out of my head, I can think of UBW series which also did 50 minute prologue well. But unlike these examples, here it felt like a drag half-way through already as whole piece certainly wasn't designed to be watched in one piece.
I understand why they aired it together (to prevent people being annoyed by the lack of developement for one month) but that still doesn't change the fact whole infodump could have been done a lot better - ie. they could start in media res with last scene with some inner monologue and only show relevant parts later on when needed (this would also prevent the feel of Endless Eight we are going to experience within the next months as every episode would bring new informations in form of bite-size flashbacks.
For direct comparison, even fitting since it's the same studio, people also complained about slow start when Steins;Gate originally aired. But on closer look, there is a big difference - as every scene in S;G was actually important part of the puzzle. And it had better exposition from the start. They are trying to achieve the same here (actually in all this series) but in comparison 3rd season of Re:Zero feels like random set of scenes that will only make some sense later on.
Actually, just comparing first three episode, I would say both S1 and S2 actually had a lot better better starts (saying that, first two (=three) of Re: Zero S1 were also bad IIRC so they are guilty of the same here but somehow it feels even worse). S2 on the other hand had strong start since the beginning so I hoped they learnt their lesson. Apparently not. Or maybe the royal selection plot is actually the least interesting part of this series.
It was more or less just parade of all known characters and those newly introduced ones weren't very interesting (in case of Liliana or Chin, even annoying).
Sirius pales in comparison with Petegeuse, her act really felt forced and that child she threw down the tower only felt as plot device to give viewers reason to hate her.
Also, for length of feature movie, very little actually happened outside of (re)introduction. Experienced directors can tell full story in that time, with beginning, middle and the end and this had neither - it was just three normal anime episodes glued together.
People mentioning Oshi no Ko first episode have the point as it really managed to be self contained. Out of my head, I can think of UBW series which also did 50 minute prologue well. But unlike these examples, here it felt like a drag half-way through already as whole piece certainly wasn't designed to be watched in one piece.
I understand why they aired it together (to prevent people being annoyed by the lack of developement for one month) but that still doesn't change the fact whole infodump could have been done a lot better - ie. they could start in media res with last scene with some inner monologue and only show relevant parts later on when needed (this would also prevent the feel of Endless Eight we are going to experience within the next months as every episode would bring new informations in form of bite-size flashbacks.
For direct comparison, even fitting since it's the same studio, people also complained about slow start when Steins;Gate originally aired. But on closer look, there is a big difference - as every scene in S;G was actually important part of the puzzle. And it had better exposition from the start. They are trying to achieve the same here (actually in all this series) but in comparison 3rd season of Re:Zero feels like random set of scenes that will only make some sense later on.
Actually, just comparing first three episode, I would say both S1 and S2 actually had a lot better better starts (saying that, first two (=three) of Re: Zero S1 were also bad IIRC so they are guilty of the same here but somehow it feels even worse). S2 on the other hand had strong start since the beginning so I hoped they learnt their lesson. Apparently not. Or maybe the royal selection plot is actually the least interesting part of this series.
@Mich666 Dude please stop it! You are definitely having your own personal issue with the series right now. I'm sure you now dislike it because of some reason and presented bunch of unfair opinions. My advice is drop it or comeback later when the first part is finished. Your post is long but it makes no sense for who knows what happens next like us. Just please stop it! To the #1: Although I think you are a troll but I'm 30 years old now who hated the second season because of the quality but recently I have just been catching up on and it's still like 8 years ago when I first invovled to this mess. I guess I am to old for someone like you instead |
Oct 5, 2024 1:02 AM
#35
"too old to enjoy shows" is actually strange opinion imo, because even I'm in my halfway of 20's still did enjoy kids shows such as SpongeBob Doraemon Shinchan, Dora, and even Barbie, because it's just so enjoyable, so if you think you didn't enjoy re zero that's not because of your age, but because you just didn't enjoy it in the first place, and it's ok to admit to that instead of finding excuse like "oh re zero is for teenagers and kids, and I'm not so I don't enjoy it anymore"like???, I believe there's no age limit to enjoy an animated show as long as you enjoying it. terlalu tua untuk enjoy animasi itu opini yang aneh imo, karena SpongeBob Doraemon Shinchan pun sampe sekarang gw masih liat karena emang enjoy aja. Barbie pun masih liat walaupun umur udah dipertengahan 20-an. gausah sembunti dibalik kata "oh aku terlalu tua untuk menikmati ini" |
Oct 5, 2024 1:18 AM
#36
Yeah, I find myself feeling the same way and the more I've "grown up", the less patience I have for it. I never realized how prevalent it kinda was until recent rewatches. Whenever something happens where the only justification for it is "oh, it's just an anime thing", I roll my eyes, ignore it, and continue. You kinda have to do this a lot if you're watching re:zero. I don't entirely hate the show for it --and really, I've always felt that the show has been kinda cringe. I don't think it makes the show bad per se. It's just very "anime" in its dialogue and how it portrays characters. Dialogue between characters in a situation where they're just existing until the next event happens goes about just the same as how the Straw Hats interact during its gag or comedic relief moments. The conversations feel like filler and and lack interest because the characters themselves aren't the most interesting and they go how you expect: The tsundere will tsundere: reject direct affection and later find a way to return it then blush; shy innocent girl will make a shy innocent girl comment and the viewer or reader goes 'awwww' UwU, she then will blush; the hyperactive character will get enthusiastic about basically nothing; the straight man will make some tongue-in-cheek comment and so it goes. It subverts tropes but obvously it also uses a lot of them as well. More concerning though is how any characters can accept Subaru's antics in any type of fantasy where there are royal selections, knights, lots of violence, and other elements you'd expect from a medieval setting. It's really just jarring that for a medieval world, many of the characters lack the Machiavellian instinct characteristic of that period--then again it is an isekai story from Japan with a clear "anime" direction so being critical of this point I guess is kinda moot. This, however, can be confusing sometimes because the show opens with Subaru being isekai'ed from japan combined with the show's focus on the debilitating psychological repercussions of a death loop mechanic on the MC, one would think the show would be more grounded--but no, it bounces between very generic, tropey isekai anime to psychological, political intrigue, mystery horror. |
EndlessNights9Oct 5, 2024 9:23 PM
Oct 5, 2024 1:24 AM
#37
Maturity is having the capability of expresing "opinions" instead of mumbling a couple of lines with excuses like "cringe". Intelligence is portrayed when you can actually criticize things properly. Depth lies in the ability to analysing set-ups, knowing what is a trope and what is a subversion of it, and going beyond superficial presentations. Having shown none of these, the only way you are growing old is physically. Had greater expectations from a Toaru fan... |
"All truth is meaningless. In the end, 'meaning' comes from the mind of each individual human. Even when there is a single truth, it can mean different things to different individuals. The truth has no meaning in itself!" - Erika Furudo |
Oct 5, 2024 2:38 AM
#38
Reply to Laplace_kun
Maturity is having the capability of expresing "opinions" instead of mumbling a couple of lines with excuses like "cringe". Intelligence is portrayed when you can actually criticize things properly. Depth lies in the ability to analysing set-ups, knowing what is a trope and what is a subversion of it, and going beyond superficial presentations. Having shown none of these, the only way you are growing old is physically. Had greater expectations from a Toaru fan...
@Laplace_kun Fr. They’re talking about being too old for Re:Zero and yet they’re still calling things they dislike “cringe”. Like?? |
Oct 5, 2024 5:51 AM
#39
Reply to AshTheChamp
No way someone with Haikyuu, Toaru and fck Angels of death in their favourites finds Re:Zero cringe 💀
@AshTheChamp And what's wrong with Toaru exactly? |
Oct 5, 2024 6:46 AM
#40
I call this post bait 100% because what was the reason of it, if you think this episode didn’t just build characters, their relationships and the world… |
Oct 5, 2024 7:03 AM
#41
I have similar situation. I used to really like Re:Zero and I even collected and read LN version. But at some point I have read up to the end of this current "water city" arc and then stopped. I still watch anime and enjoy it moderately but it's not the same as it was. Is it because I'm getting old or maybe because meanwhile I saw so many better fantasy anime like Made in Abyss, Mushoku Tensei or Frieren? Really hard to say but my reception of Re:Zero became colder now. Also yes, I too started thinking it's a little bit cringe (but still good). |
Oct 5, 2024 11:02 AM
#42
Confused_100 said: I call this post bait 100% because what was the reason of it, if you think this episode didn’t just build characters, their relationships and the world… no it isnt, and I'm not trying to start fights either. just saying I'm kinda sick of all the anime girl tropes. I used to like it a while back but I guess I'm not into it anymore. Again I'm bot hating on the show lol it's a good premise. |
Oct 5, 2024 11:05 AM
#43
Laplace_kun said: Maturity is having the capability of expresing "opinions" instead of mumbling a couple of lines with excuses like "cringe". Intelligence is portrayed when you can actually criticize things properly. Depth lies in the ability to analysing set-ups, knowing what is a trope and what is a subversion of it, and going beyond superficial presentations. Having shown none of these, the only way you are growing old is physically. Had greater expectations from a Toaru fan... Nah I just worded the post kinda weirdly. I dont mean like cringe as in its a bad show or anything, I'm just overly sick of fanservice and super girly colored hair anime girls if you know what I mean. which is weird coming from a toaru fan too lmfao I know. |
Oct 5, 2024 11:08 AM
#44
Okeanix said: @filus I saw so many better fantasy anime like Made in Abyss, Mushoku Tensei or Frieren? These garbages are not even close to level of Re:Zero yet you label it as "better". Lmao. It seems problem is not growing up but your taste is now trash. Wow dude calm down… You aren’t helping your case here |
Oct 5, 2024 11:09 AM
#45
Deftburgerz said: @Laplace_kun Fr. They’re talking about being too old for Re:Zero and yet they’re still calling things they dislike “cringe”. Like?? bad wording on my part, and I'm not saying there's an age limit on anime like that, I'm just over the whole 2d personality colored hair anime girls. I enjoyed the show because of the power Subaru had, and it was a cool premise, but I just can't with some of the cast Ig. |
Oct 5, 2024 11:10 AM
#46
AnaakJahad said: Confused_100 said: I call this post bait 100% because what was the reason of it, if you think this episode didn’t just build characters, their relationships and the world… no it isnt, and I'm not trying to start fights either. just saying I'm kinda sick of all the anime girl tropes. I used to like it a while back but I guess I'm not into it anymore. Again I'm bot hating on the show lol it's a good premise. Anime girl troupes? Where? Lol. But I see what you did there in the last sentence |
Oct 5, 2024 11:28 AM
#47
Reply to AnaakJahad
Laplace_kun said:
Maturity is having the capability of expresing "opinions" instead of mumbling a couple of lines with excuses like "cringe". Intelligence is portrayed when you can actually criticize things properly. Depth lies in the ability to analysing set-ups, knowing what is a trope and what is a subversion of it, and going beyond superficial presentations. Having shown none of these, the only way you are growing old is physically. Had greater expectations from a Toaru fan...
Maturity is having the capability of expresing "opinions" instead of mumbling a couple of lines with excuses like "cringe". Intelligence is portrayed when you can actually criticize things properly. Depth lies in the ability to analysing set-ups, knowing what is a trope and what is a subversion of it, and going beyond superficial presentations. Having shown none of these, the only way you are growing old is physically. Had greater expectations from a Toaru fan...
Nah I just worded the post kinda weirdly. I dont mean like cringe as in its a bad show or anything, I'm just overly sick of fanservice and super girly colored hair anime girls if you know what I mean. which is weird coming from a toaru fan too lmfao I know.
@AnaakJahad You saw only the girls? Not the guys with thousand hair colors? Also, what do you mean by fanservice? Mention a single scene which concerns you. You are still mumbling about irrevelant things |
"All truth is meaningless. In the end, 'meaning' comes from the mind of each individual human. Even when there is a single truth, it can mean different things to different individuals. The truth has no meaning in itself!" - Erika Furudo |
Oct 5, 2024 12:24 PM
#48
I don't understand what you want to say, you don't like fanservice? you felt weird watching young characters fanservice being an adult? I start to enjoy more fanservice/ecchi/hentai as an adult. I felt 0 shame since I'm an adult and I can do anything I want lol. People supposed to stop caring about what other things once they are adults, not the other way around. |
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Oct 5, 2024 12:46 PM
#49
I find myself in the same position, especially with this first episode. I don't really like any of the characters, the author's obsession with lolis is off-putting and the plot is so slow. I'm gonna give it another couple of episodes now that the time loop has finally started, but I can see myself dropping it if it doesn't improve. |
Oct 5, 2024 1:18 PM
#50
Nurguburu said: I don't understand what you want to say, you don't like fanservice? you felt weird watching young characters fanservice being an adult? I start to enjoy more fanservice/ecchi/hentai as an adult. I felt 0 shame since I'm an adult and I can do anything I want lol. People supposed to stop caring about what other things once they are adults, not the other way around. no because I find it cringe and gross, but I mean like whatchu wanna like ig. I can't sit through that typa stuff. |
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